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Where is Jehovah Jireh?
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NBina |
Date: Sunday, 21.04.2013, 19:59 |
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Why Mount Moriah can not be in Jerusalem?
Even in the 19-18 centuries BC. e. Jerusalem is mentioned among the city-states. ** Melchizedek, king of Salem, traditionally considered the ruler of Jerusalem. In the time of David, Jerusalem was the main city of the Jebusites, it was called Jebus. Jerusalem is a place with a favorable climate for agriculture, in Jerusalem and around the there are many gardens.
Now let's will be attentive to what is written in the Bible, and try to imagine all that is written.
Genesis 22:2-14
Abraham lived in Beer-Sheva, in the village, located behind the Judean desert, the Negev Desert. Abraham is going to pass two deserts, to sacrifice his son in the populous city Ur-Salem**. Coming out of the desert, where every tree counts, Abraham takes a large bundle of firewood to bring it to a place rich of trees and wood. Abraham's people and Isaac will have to make a difficult jog in hot desert up and down the mountains, 30 miles a day.* Do they well-trained army soldiers?
All this seems very strange, is not it?
conclusion:
Abraham did not go to Jerusalem, he went closer to a deserted place called Moriah, to offer sacrifice to God on one of the mountains, which is visible from a distance. To offer a sacrifice on the mountain of Jehovah-Jireh, in the desert. I must say that Jerusalem's Temple Mount can not be seen from a distance, from the road that goes to Be'er Sheva.
* Abraham went not three days, but a little more than two. The third day was very busy. He had to find a fairly large flat stones, to dig them out of the rocky ground and to drag to the place and make a big, nice altar. When the Lord gave Abraham a sacrifice, it was necessary bring it to a place, kill, take out the inside, remove the skin, make a fire, wait until everything is burned up, dig quite deep pit in the rocky ground, to bury the skin. It was necessary to put a big stone, to jackals never dug a pit. They had to go back to where the servants were (far enough) until the going down of the sun. Abraham was in years, the emotional burden was too great, so he did everything slowly.
** The first mention of Jerusalem (Rushalimum) is contained in the Egyptian spells against enemy cities 19-18 centuries BC. e. Entitled Urusalim city is mentioned in the 14th century BC. e. El Amarn letters. (Jewish Encyclopedia)
Now remember David, his psalms. What place he glorified? Mount Zion. No word on Moriah. The Bible says in the Book of Kings the temple was built on the site of the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite. Why the place Moria, the famous Jehovah Jireh, persistently called "threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite" in the Book of Samuel in the Bible?
conclusion:
Moriah was never been in Jerusalem. In general, "Moriah" is the title area, not mountains (Genesis 22:2). A mountain is called Jehovah-Jireh.
The mention of Moriah in connection with Jerusalem is found only in a book written after the Babylonian captivity, when scribes sought to unify and explain all of Scripture. Prior to that time, none of the prophets did not used the name "Moriah".
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NBina |
Date: Sunday, 21.04.2013, 20:26 |
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So where is Moria?
Suppose initially known to the Lord for all His ways. Suppose that Ezekiel was a prophet of God. Then the location of the Temple, which is determined according to the prophecy of Ezekiel must coincide with the location of the mountains Jehovah Jireh and Moriah.
Here is the mountain from afar.
And this must be an altar of Abraham on the mountain
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Andrew |
Date: Thursday, 17.10.2013, 08:10 |
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Despite the fact that this place is very interesting to Judaism and Christianity, there is still no one came to review this place.
Or they are all asleep or just died.
How to get to the mountain of Jehovah-Jireh (Al Hanziriya) can be found on the map in amudanan.co.il .
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Andrew |
Date: Saturday, 08.12.2018, 23:20 |
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These two videos show where the ancient altar built by Abraham is located, and shows the place where fragments of the bronze knife of Abraham and the remains of the sacrificial ram can be found.
We do not have the right to independently make archaeological excavations in Israel. Moreover, the use of a metal detector is a crime. If you want to help, then look for an Israeli archeologist who agrees to examine and explore this place.
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Andrew |
Date: Saturday, 08.12.2018, 23:40 |
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Ma'ale Hever (or Pnei Hever) is located about 7 km from the altar ruins. There is a yeshiva and, like, there is a boarding house. From this place the future Temple will be visible. Interestingly, on the mountain you can see the name "Jesus" in Hebrew (ישוע), written by the hand of God.
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Andrew |
Date: Tuesday, 11.12.2018, 05:57 |
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Abraham could not walk the mountain route 100 km from Be'er Sheva to Jerusalem for 2 days. If a person can force himself to kill himself, walking 50 km a day through the mountains, then you can never force an ass to do the same.
The land of Moriah is not Mount Moriah. These are two different geographic locations.
King David did not know anything about the place where he built the altar, that this place is called “the land of Moriah”. King David called this place the threshing floor of Orna the Jebusite. Would David have called this place the threshing floor of some Orna, if he knew that it was the land of Moriah, Jehovah-jireh?
The legend that Mount Moriah in Jerusalem is the site of Abraham’s sacrifice, Jehovah-jireh, appeared much later. Please do not think that there is a mistake in the Bible. Just the land of Moriah is not Mount Moriah. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Mount Moriah was the site of Abraham's sacrifice, Jehovah-jireh.
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Andrew |
Date: Wednesday, 12.12.2018, 02:17 |
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The route of Abraham:
The land of Moriah. Jehovah-jireh.
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Andrew |
Date: Wednesday, 12.12.2018, 03:06 |
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83 And Sarah laid her head upon the bosom of one of her handmaids, and she became as still as a stone.
84 She afterward rose up and went about making inquiries till she came to Hebron, and she inquired of all those whom she met walking in the road, and no one could tell her what had happened to her son.
85 And she came with her maid servants and men servants to Kireath-arba, which is Hebron, and she asked concerning her Son, and she remained there while she sent some of her servants to seek where Abraham had gone with Isaac; they went to seek him in the house of Shem and Eber, and they could not find him, and they sought throughout the land and he was not there.
86 And behold, Satan came to Sarah in the shape of an old man, and he came and stood before her, and he said unto her, I spoke falsely unto thee, for Abraham did not kill his son and he is not dead; and when she heard the word her joy was so exceedingly violent on account of her son, that her soul went out through joy; she died and was gathered to her people.
87 And when Abraham had finished his service he returned with his son Isaac to his young men, and they rose up and went together to Beersheba, and they came home.
88 And Abraham sought for Sarah, and could not find her, and he made inquiries concerning her, and they said unto him, She went as far as Hebron to seek you both where you had gone, for thus was she informed.
89 And Abraham and Isaac went to her to Hebron, and when they found that she was dead they lifted up their voices and wept bitterly over her; and Isaac fell upon his mother's face and wept over her, and he said, O my mother, my mother, how hast thou left me, and where hast thou gone? O how, how hast thou left me!
https://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/jasher/23.htm
Yes, of course, Abraham could not meet Sarah on the way back, because he was going not from Jerusalem, but from the Judean desert, where the land of Moriah is located.
The compilers of the book of Jasher more closely followed the Scriptures than modern commentators who identify the land of Moriah with Mount Moriah in Jerusalem.
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Andrew |
Date: Wednesday, 12.12.2018, 04:26 |
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And today, the land of Moriah is a deserted place.
The meeting place of the elect from the four winds
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Andrew |
Date: Wednesday, 12.12.2018, 05:57 |
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And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah-jireh: as it is said [to]this day, In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen. (Genesis 22:14)
"The Lord hath seen"
"The LORD sees"
"the LORD will provide"
"the LORD will see to it"
That is why Ezekiel's Temple has the image of an all-seeing eye.
However, while this is only a project of the Third Temple.
The meaning of the Eastern Gate in the prophecy of Ezekiel
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